Kobe Bryant, not James Harden, is the best offensive player since Jordan - Stephen A. | First Take

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  • Опубликовано: 22 января 2019
  • Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman debate whether James Harden is the best offensive player in the NBA since Michael Jordan. Stephen A. says Harden is the most explosive player currently in the league, but gives the edge to Kobe Bryant. Kellerman sees Steph Curry as a better offensive player and says Harden has become overrated offensively.

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  • Laker Ludz
    Laker Ludz  3 дней назад

    I’m still mad about this..all this dude is step back threes

    • flawless mr
      flawless mr  2 месяцев назад

      Kobe is just so much more skilled than James Harden
      You just never see those fancy footworks and crazy moves from Harden

      • Sagitrolling
        Sagitrolling  2 месяцев назад

        Comparing Harden to Kobe is blasphemous to the greatness of Kobe

        • nabil chowdhury
          nabil chowdhury  2 месяцев назад

          Does Kevin Durant not exist anymore????? And again, Harden will never catch MJ, Kobe, and Wade as a player or SG.

          • nabil chowdhury
            nabil chowdhury  2 месяцев назад

            Harden doesn’t deserve to be in this conversation AT ALL, doing so is disrespectful to Kobe.
            1)MJ
            2)Kobe
            3)D Wade
            Harden will never get there. Also, let’s see what harden does in a system that doesn’t force the ball in his hands.

            • CellGeist
              CellGeist  4 месяцев назад

              Looks like Kobe is still better after Harden choked against no KD warriors lol.

              • Simon Pierre De Groote
                Simon Pierre De Groote  4 месяцев назад

                best offensive year:
                Kobe 35,4 pts \ 37% of the points of his team \ 2016 has been once of the lowest pace of the NBA history
                Jordan, 37ppg \ 35%
                Harden, 36PPG \ 31% on the highest pace since the 1994.... houston being the second pace behind GSW at 116 ppg.


                All states are relative to the context, even the record.
                Getting 30 rebounds, while both teams shot below 40% and yourself get 3/4 own quick rebound on missing put back is nothing comparing to 17 rebounds on a 55% shooting game without own rebound. Moreover with a pace below 100.

                • jc conanan
                  jc conanan  4 месяцев назад

                  harden travels a lot....

                  • Keane Diego C. LACEDA
                    Keane Diego C. LACEDA  5 месяцев назад

                    Harden gets his points from fouls while kobe gets his points from his skill

                    • Paidyn Cashman
                      Paidyn Cashman  5 месяцев назад

                      I think that if Kyrie was in good health he would tear up that discussion

                      • FAWK Q
                        FAWK Q  6 месяцев назад

                        NObODY'S bETTER THAN KObE! HE IS THE MOST HATED AND IS THE GREATEST OF AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW FUCCEN TIME!

                        • Unknown
                          Unknown  6 месяцев назад

                          Harden is A Low budget T-Mac that can’t make the NBA Finals don’t compare him to MJ,Kobe, Not even Wade

                          • PRANEETH REDDY
                            PRANEETH REDDY  6 месяцев назад

                            u guys just dont get it Its MVP Stuff #feartheBeard !!!

                            • Paolo Garrido
                              Paolo Garrido  6 месяцев назад

                              Harden is a good basketball player. Kobe is a Killa

                              • Granpa Brown
                                Granpa Brown  6 месяцев назад

                                Stephen a Smith is completely talking from something that we just don’t see that because Stefan Carey wouldn’t be able to do that everybody knows he will be I mean come on Stefan Carey is already breaking every record destroying everything in an NBA as far as being able to shoot them basically anywhere and be that efficient with it and you think that if he was put in a situation like James Harden is he won’t be even better if he was just told to shoot the ball all the time really he’s just talking from something we just don’t get to see so you can’t really make that argument now can you Stefan Carey will be just as wet or Stephen a Smith is completely talking from something that we just don’t see that because Stefan Carey wouldn’t be able to do that everybody knows he will be I mean come on Stefan Carey is already breaking every record destroying everything in an MBA as far as being able to shoot them basically anywhere and be that efficient with it and you think that if he was put in a situation like James Harden is he won’t be even better if he was just told to shoot the ball all the time really he’s just talking for something we just don’t get to see so you can’t really make that argument now can you Stefan Carey will be just as wet or even more..

                                • Dannon McKnight
                                  Dannon McKnight  7 месяцев назад

                                  He's not even better than Kevin Durant. People live in the moment so much it's crazy.

                                  • Bryan Refuerzo
                                    Bryan Refuerzo  7 месяцев назад

                                    We really saying that Steph is a system-player? Yes, the system helps him, but systems win rings. Great systems= great teams, and ultimately (of good enough) win titles.
                                    Strictly speaking offensively, Stephen A is again off his rock. When Steph won unanimous THE ENTIRE LEAGUE WAS TRYING TO STOP HIM, and dude still put up avg 30 ppg, shooting 50/40/90 in —wait for it— 34 min per game. 34!!!!!! Sitting the 4th. I could already hear the trolls saying he would’ve got hurt if he would’ve played the 4th. Naw bruh, he would’ve avg 40 and Stephen A would still be “prisoner of the moment” and pick Harden rn.

                                    • Francisco Pizarro
                                      Francisco Pizarro  6 месяцев назад

                                      Bryan Refuerzo Steph isn’t even the best player on his team lol

                                  • Iresh Aparece
                                    Iresh Aparece  7 месяцев назад

                                    Accept the fact that Harden is the most offensive player for this season.. And no other than him .. Not Durant not curry not lbj . Just Harden..

                                    • Iresh Aparece
                                      Iresh Aparece  7 месяцев назад

                                      I am a bryant and harden fan.. They are both great in there own style and strategy.. Why we need to compare one another .. No further explaination

                                      • MrCocoMocoLoco2
                                        MrCocoMocoLoco2  7 месяцев назад

                                        You’re Comparing a playoff choke artist that’s always injured to a 5 time nba champ? The disrespect for Kobe is ridiculous.

                                        • G23Farrakhan52
                                          G23Farrakhan52  7 месяцев назад

                                          Kobe Bryant was a greater offensive than MJ too. He was not as efficient as MJ because MJ was more of a dominant inside and middle range scorer. Kobe was a better outside or deep range scorer than MJ. Kobe was more explosive than MJ. He did not have his efficiency.

                                          • Real_Jamal 1
                                            Real_Jamal 1  7 месяцев назад

                                            I may be being naive but he is a better player then a lot since Jordan era but his only problem is that he needs a better power forward and small forward BTW I'm a Houston fan but Jordan and Kobe are way better I would say harden = shooting guard no 3-4

                                            • Olumide Afolami
                                              Olumide Afolami  7 месяцев назад

                                              Steven A is so biased towards iso scoring and it shows with the types of players he LOVES- Carmelo, Kobe, now Harden. I've never bought into Harden being in the same league as Steph, Durant or Bron. If anything, he's the ultimate product of a system. Its no surprise he's won his MVP and scoring titles under Mike D'antoni. The ultimate indictment comes in the playoffs though; where he's absolute garbage, its almost like he's zapped of any confidence whatsoever- Max his this point on the head. Its astounding how Steven A would refuse to judge LeBron on anything other than post-season success, but will sit there and crown Harden a better Offensive player than LeBron (who assists and grabs offensive rebounds better). Here are a list of efficient automatic buckets: AD, KD, Steph and LeBron

                                              • Francisco Pizarro
                                                Francisco Pizarro  6 месяцев назад

                                                Olumide Afolami harden took the warriors to 7 games. That’s a fact. Lebron got swept and shitted on by Kd LOL. Two back to back finals mvps on his head lol

                                              • Olumide Afolami
                                                Olumide Afolami  6 месяцев назад

                                                @Francisco Pizarro Thats a bunch of "ifs" right there bruh. Harden has his chance to take them past the Warriors, what do we get? The worst 3pt shooting performance by any team in playoffs history! LMAO

                                              • Francisco Pizarro
                                                Francisco Pizarro  6 месяцев назад

                                                Olumide Afolami Stephen curry isn’t even the best player on his team and you really bringing Lebron in this ? If cp3 didn’t get injured last year, the rockets would’ve swept the Cavs in the finals and James harden would’ve gotten a finals mvp on lebron’s head

                                            • Savage
                                              Savage  7 месяцев назад

                                              kobe took 38 more attempts than harden to get 43 pts lmao.. i mean kobe was good but harden is on another level.. he even makes mj look like poop lmao

                                              • KanameKashita
                                                KanameKashita  7 месяцев назад

                                                Steph a system player? Isn't Stephen A the same guy who praises steph for being able to shoot and score under any condition? Steph wouldn't take as many dribbles as James, he would just shoot as soon as he gets the ball and crosses the half court line. If he is doubled, he can pass like James to an open teammate and avg. just as many assists. What is Stephen A talking about? He is literally saying the exact opposite things he said about Steph during the years he won back to back MVPs.

                                                • marcus.
                                                  marcus.  7 месяцев назад

                                                  what damn fool would thank harden was ova Kobe anyway???...

                                                  • Branden Jackson
                                                    Branden Jackson  7 месяцев назад

                                                    Please passing is apart of offense. And Kobe didn’t pass

                                                    • Nasty Nate
                                                      Nasty Nate  7 месяцев назад

                                                      9/25 fg 2/13 3pt greatest offensive player ever since jordan

                                                      • jimmicrackhead12
                                                        jimmicrackhead12  7 месяцев назад

                                                        The only stat that Kobe is better than Lebron is free throw... thats it!! Lebron has better 3 point, 2 point and offensive rebounds and everything!! Plus he can pass (Kobe clearly cannot). So how is Lebron NOT a better offensive player than either of these guys?

                                                        • carlos dupree
                                                          carlos dupree  7 месяцев назад

                                                          IF YOU GO WITH----woulda coulda shoulda---YOUR debate is over!!!!!!!

                                                          • carlos dupree
                                                            carlos dupree  7 месяцев назад

                                                            give me the MAMBA over "any" in nba history!!!(STRAIGHT NASTY)

                                                            • Samuel Tinao
                                                              Samuel Tinao  7 месяцев назад

                                                              No dought.kobe is the close name behind michael jordan.if kobe was in his prime in nba today kobe can ave.40 ppg. Because the nba today is soft and no defense at all.👌💕

                                                              • Petros
                                                                Petros  7 месяцев назад

                                                                I’m taking Durant over Kobe n harden

                                                                • Albert Morales
                                                                  Albert Morales  7 месяцев назад

                                                                  Within the topic of this discussion being offense and the ability to score the ball, James Harden does not have the edge over Kobe Bryant. Since Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant was the closest version we ever saw to MJ with his ability to score from midrange, in the post, and from the perimeter. Overall, Kobe was a better shooter than MJ, but when you talk about having the full offensive arsenal and putting on scoring clinics that’s all in favor of Kobe. His footwork and capability to make the most toughest of shots was what made Kobe the most unguardable and unstoppable of his time because anytime he would mix it up and that’s what made Kobe the best offensive player with the best skill level of his era. The NBA has changed in terms of physicality, so this argument between Harden and Kobe clearly favors the Mamba because each night he would have to go up against the most elite of defenders and competition and because of this it made Kobe dominant on the offensive side of the ball becasue no matter what the defense came at him with, he took it upon himself to make the opposition work to stop him from scoring. There’s no question that Harden is an offensive talent, but in terms of comparing him to Kobe Bryant then the edge is going to be in the advantage of Kobe simply becasue he was such an elite scorer and lockdown defender who would put on scoring performances that made him such a special talent and one of the greats to ever play this game.

                                                                  • Dutt
                                                                    Dutt  7 месяцев назад

                                                                    Never the day would I hear curry is better than harden on offense

                                                                    • Stephen Nolan
                                                                      Stephen Nolan  7 месяцев назад

                                                                      James harden Isn’t better than Curry. KD. And Lebron offensively that is a joke 🤣

                                                                      • lakrb0y
                                                                        lakrb0y  7 месяцев назад

                                                                        Kobe has never flopped. EVER !

                                                                        • Rodrigo Barraza Núñez
                                                                          Rodrigo Barraza Núñez  7 месяцев назад

                                                                          Harden? What about KD? Offensive player post-Jordan are KD > Kobe > Harden

                                                                          • Jidam Altamirano
                                                                            Jidam Altamirano  6 месяцев назад

                                                                            @Rodrigo Barraza Núñez to each their own I mean kobe averaged 28 and 30 with prime shaq on his team and even tho Westbrook was on the team Durant was the go to guy

                                                                          • Rodrigo Barraza Núñez
                                                                            Rodrigo Barraza Núñez  6 месяцев назад

                                                                            @Jidam Altamirano that's true and we'll see, because although playing with Pre-2019 Russ as your PG and average that it's not easy, I'll take Kobe over KD every day. I really think he's the better offensive player but you're right, it's open for debate

                                                                          • Rodrigo Barraza Núñez
                                                                            Rodrigo Barraza Núñez  6 месяцев назад

                                                                            @Jidam Altamirano we'll see, I'll take Kobe over KD every day, but I really believe he's the better offensive player

                                                                          • Jidam Altamirano
                                                                            Jidam Altamirano  6 месяцев назад

                                                                            @Rodrigo Barraza Núñez if you did say he had 4 and Kobe only 2 we can look at the 2 scoring titles Durant won while averaging 28 ppg kobe had multiple seasons were he scored as much or more and didn't win it. Also Durant hasn't hit the decline of his career kobe got injured and older in 2013 before that he was averaging over 27 for his career too. No doubt Durant is top 5 all time as a scorer tho

                                                                          • Rodrigo Barraza Núñez
                                                                            Rodrigo Barraza Núñez  6 месяцев назад

                                                                            @Jidam Altamirano That's right. I could say KD has 4 scoring titles over 2 from Kobe, or say that KD is 4th in career ppg all time close to Elgin Baylor, but I won't do that. I'll just say KD has never taken the offensive load that Kobe took (he played with Russ and now with Curry) so that means less points. I hope he leaves the Warriors to see if he can really take that offensive load and maybe score over 50 or 60 a few times.

                                                                        • esmael hassen
                                                                          esmael hassen  7 месяцев назад

                                                                          ESPN

                                                                          • noitrexe
                                                                            noitrexe  7 месяцев назад

                                                                            😂y'all really mad because harden really out there balling against y'all favorite teams🤘🏿🚀. Wild

                                                                            • MrZahsome
                                                                              MrZahsome  7 месяцев назад

                                                                              Kobe literally did the same thing as Harden now(Constant 30, 40, 50, 60 point games) except with a much more physical NBA than today... harden is great and all but c'mon he's guaranteed 20 free points every game because he tilts his head back while driving....

                                                                              • L0ngstrip
                                                                                L0ngstrip  7 месяцев назад

                                                                                Max is ridiculous. Dantoni capitalizes on great one on one players but not players like steph who has to do so much off the ball action.

                                                                                • sean hazelette
                                                                                  sean hazelette  7 месяцев назад

                                                                                  Stephen a Smith Steph curry is the system tf you talm bout.his skill do great he literally changed the way you play defense...steph would average 40

                                                                                  • chris cruz
                                                                                    chris cruz  7 месяцев назад

                                                                                    Nigga said curry would average 40 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️ stfu

                                                                                    • bored soimonhere
                                                                                      bored soimonhere  7 месяцев назад

                                                                                      Stephen A. Steph was shooting alot more off the dribble in 2015-16.. u don't remember that? 🤦🏽‍♂️

                                                                                      • Benjamin Franklin
                                                                                        Benjamin Franklin  7 месяцев назад

                                                                                        bored soimonhere its not that he can’t shoot off the dribble but is he taking guys 1 on 1 every play ? And I’m talking about players at his position not a slow big switching on him or him getting off ball screens

                                                                                    • Smokey Bear
                                                                                      Smokey Bear  7 месяцев назад

                                                                                      Kobe is the mosy clutch player of all time even jordan

                                                                                      • pirate ramsay
                                                                                        pirate ramsay  7 месяцев назад

                                                                                        I'm sick of every single pundit bringing up Curry in a d antoni system, it's pissing me off

                                                                                        • Hadi Qasmieh
                                                                                          Hadi Qasmieh  7 месяцев назад

                                                                                          Harden ain’t close to KD. Don’t even begin to compare him to Kobe